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Not sure why there's such a focus on numbers here. Is Truth determined by a majority? Rather relativistic thinking, eh? Or is it more of a "Well, it's only a few people, so who cares if we trample them" attitude?

Funny thing about numbers ... they can be manipulated. For example, the Presbyterian Lay Committee, the PCUSA group that correspond group to the Confessing Church group in the UMC boasts hundreds of thousands of members. Turns out, they count members by counting the number of people who are on their mailing list. *I'm* on their mailing list -- three times.


John Meunier

I'm confused by the vocabulary here.

How is arguing on behalf of changes to the social principles and the administrative rules in the BOD a heresy?

The parts of the BOD that can be changed by a vote of the General Conference are always open to revision and change. How can it possibly be heresy to attempt to follow the lawful process set out by the BOD for doing so?


I was confused by that as well. Even if he's just talking about LGBT inclusion, there's never been a time when that has qualified as a "heresy" in the Christian church.


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I suppose the deal is that a relatively small number of people, by your account, who are clearly ill-favored by many can now identify one more congregation of people who won't broad-brush them as a bunch of heretics but will deal with them one-on-one, as beloved of God and attempt to understand how it might be that glbt people can profess Christ and still tell truth about their sexuality.


I wouldn't go so far as to call it heresy, but yes, the Church must stand up against those who wish to normalize sinful behavior -- in all its many varieties.


I guess I will remain unsettled by the reality that the BoD can be changed by a vote of a majority. Who within the Annual Conference is to say what is heretical and what is not if the defining text is one that can change every four years? Until the Bible is considered the final word, I guess this is the way it will always be ... at least for as long as it lasts.


Michael, the restrictive rules help with this considerably. We can't change the Confession of Faith or the Articles of Religion.

So we can just ignore them instead.


By these standards, the multitudes were right to kill Jesus.

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